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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:02:00 -
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1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns
Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.
But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.
I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD
What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more? |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:06:00 -
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JW v Weingarten wrote:there is no such thing as gun game in dust.
Yes there is, it's just non-apparent in PC |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:08:00 -
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 Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote:lol why flux? Can't take out uplink spam without flux.
EDIT: Its SyNergy btw
I use Flux, I just added it because I didn't wanna single out those poor core locus  |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:30:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:JW v Weingarten wrote:there is no such thing as gun game in dust.
Yes there is, it's just non-apparent in PC No, there isn't. Every movement to your aim has a delay on it since Uprising and with the increase of strafe speed in 1.2 it has reached the point where there is no possible way for a human to track a target via reaction. Most of your so called "gun game" is actually instinctual guesswork, and folks who pride themselves on it are overconfident of their own abilities. Furthermore, moving objects in Dust still do not have fluid movement as the netcode gives every person a kind of "slideshow shuffle" as they run. As long as player movement does not appear fluid there is no way for a human to do anything other than guess which will they will turn. Even an individual who jumps into the air can change direction on a whim, rendering prediction ultimately useless. I too would enjoy Dust being an actual tracking shooter, but currently that is not possible with mechanics we have been given. Do not fool yourself into thinking you have proven gungame in Dust, because you don't. No one does.
It's all very well saying all that, and I do know exactly what you mean and I understand that is apparent. But that does not dismiss the fact that using weapons other than the aforementioned 5 is far more prudent in what I'd deem a 'good' fight. There are bugs and all that **** as we all know but hell at the end of the day, a gun fight is a gun fight and I'd much rather in not be against a spam-weapon. See my point? I wasn't trying to question the physical mechanics of the game. |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:36:00 -
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Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:JW v Weingarten wrote:there is no such thing as gun game in dust.
Yes there is, it's just non-apparent in PC No, there isn't. Every movement to your aim has a delay on it since Uprising and with the increase of strafe speed in 1.2 it has reached the point where there is no possible way for a human to track a target via reaction. Most of your so called "gun game" is actually instinctual guesswork, and folks who pride themselves on it are overconfident of their own abilities. Furthermore, moving objects in Dust still do not have fluid movement as the netcode gives every person a kind of "slideshow shuffle" as they run. As long as player movement does not appear fluid there is no way for a human to do anything other than guess which will they will turn. Even an individual who jumps into the air can change direction on a whim, rendering prediction ultimately useless. I too would enjoy Dust being an actual tracking shooter, but currently that is not possible with mechanics we have been given. Do not fool yourself into thinking you have proven gungame in Dust, because you don't. No one does. It's all very well saying all that, and I do know exactly what you mean and I understand that is apparent. But that does not dismiss the fact that using weapons other than the aforementioned 5 is far more prudent in what I'd deem a 'good' fight. There are bugs and all that **** as we all know but hell at the end of the day, a gun fight is a gun fight and I'd much rather in not be against a spam-weapon. See my point? I wasn't trying to question the physical mechanics of the game. I don't know how long you've been doing corp battles but its the way its always been done since before PC. People will always use whatever they have to to win. In the begin it was tanks/missiles then when we finally got off of manus peak it was all about getting up high with md and vizam. Its just the way the game is. Between the map layouts and the horrible lack of balance with weapons/equipment this is where we are. Kinda sad that the best battles i had in PC where when we agree'd to not use certain weapons heh.
Well, I used to do corp battles all the time back in... say Jan-March kind of time, but then I quit Dust, and came back for PC. The old corp battles were better, at least, the matches I played. Fights against KEQ, WTF, BetaMax, PRO, PFB etc etc. The problems were apparent to a degree then but not quite as severe, the problems then as you say were more area-denial based not CQ spam.
You talk to me as if I'm unaware of the problem, that's the point of my post.
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:47:00 -
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Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:Well, I used to do corp battles all the time back in... say Jan-March kind of time, but then I quit Dust, and came back for PC. The old corp battles were better, at least, the matches I played. Fights against KEQ, WTF, BetaMax, PRO, PFB etc etc. The problems were apparent to a degree then but not quite as severe, the problems then as you say were more area-denial based not CQ spam.
You talk to me as if I'm unaware of the problem, that's the point of my post.
Didn't mean to talk down on you or anything, i guess my posts are a little aggressive since all the qq/hate recently. So if you are aware of the problem what is the purpose of this thread? Just a rant i guess? I mean I don't see any other point to it especially for this section of the forum. As long as there is FPS games and a competitive community to play them, they will always, ALWAYS go to certain weapons,equipment,tactics that can help them win.
Yeah just a rant to be honest, not exactly any less productive than the rest of the threads going around at the moment xD
But yeah, this ain't a QQ or ***** at anyone, I'm just mad at the game ;) |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:49:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns
Just putting it out there, are any corporations interested in gun game anymore or is this all it comes to? These 5 weapons is all I see in PC battles and it kind of sucks, I get they all have their tactical advantages and things like grenades and forge guns are fair game.
But, well idk I'm sure it seems all 'QQ' to you forum warriors out there but it just gets boring, I find it hard to get into a good 1 on 1 in a PC match because I see a freedom mass driver coming at my gallante ass and I'm like "Well game over". There's not much I can do, considering I only am at 9.5 million SP and I'm faced with Proto mass drivers 90% of the time.
I just ringed for Valor coalition against Synergy, and GG to both teams you all played well but, damn it all I was faced against was mass drivers, forge gunners, and Mavado's tank ofc xD
What happened to good gunfights? Do they just not matter any more?
- BANE Don't call in vehicles I don't use a forge... Nades are a huge part of any shooter tho, so qq about them is a lost cause
Yes, Nades are. However, some might argue they subtract somewhat from the gunplay when they are of such high power/instant death (For me in my armour suit damn it)
I appreciate your attempt at reasoning but it doesn't subtract validity from my point... even though that point is pointless. 
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:00:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:843 Epidemic wrote:1) Mass Drivers
2) Core locus Grenades
3) Flux grenades
4) Core flaylocks
5) Ishukone assault forge guns
- BANE Right so just take away any explosive weapons in PC. People QQ too much. "I hate being killed by mass drivers, forge guns, flaylocks, core locus grenades, and murder taxis." Stop crying. You basically want a game without explosions
No offence Skipper, but all you use is Mass Drivers and don't really care about PC, partly as you're either Awoxing or Ringing, I wouldn't really expect you to understand how frustrating it is for someone who wants to enjoy a good fight. |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:02:00 -
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I probably exaggerated a bit with reference to Grenades, they aren't so bad since that nerf on the contacts came in.
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 09:15:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Thank you for making a list of all the effective weapons that are not ARs which you would like nerfed because they get kills and are not ARs. You are a bad player. Please go away and play CoD.
Hmm I don't remember writing that It think they should get nerfed :O I don't want them all to get nerfed, I want them to get balanced (MD mainly) big difference. And FYI O'Dell I dont use AR almost at all these days.
You sort of said it yourself, "a list of all the effective weapons" implying the other weapons aren't effective. That's my point, but I'm glad you managed to get your head around it one way or another I know it's a struggle sometimes. |
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843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:47:00 -
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Lol,
Love how what I was actually saying was "I'd like to see a PC fight without these weapons".
But to a lot of you, that means "I hate all these weapons and they should never be used and nerfed, all we should use is ARs".
Not what I meant, just would like to see a match without them for once, but it's a shame that was misconstrued, I understand the importance of the weapons and the degree of variety. Ah nvm. |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:19:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:Solutions:
1) Mass Drivers - use a MD yourself
2) Core locus Grenades - skill into Core Grenades
3) Flux grenades - Have an armor variant suit
4) Core flaylocks - not a factor as much anymore
5) Ishukone assault forge guns - don't use vehicles
- Problem Solved
Ok, before I go into it again let's get something set, just once more for you so you understand. I don't have a problem with these weapons in general, I merely stated I would like to see a PC without them.
FYI I am armour anyway, I don't use Vehicles and I use fluxes myself |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:50:00 -
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Why has this thread been resurrected? -_- |
843 Epidemic
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:42:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Why was the OP erased?
The plot thickens
Because it was a dumb, rage-induced OP.
My ass thickens. |
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